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		<title>Comment on Water + Climate by Small Farmer</title>
		<link>http://aoss.engin.umich.edu/cop15/2009/12/01/water-climate/comment-page-1/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>Small Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has this work continued or is it stalled?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has this work continued or is it stalled?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Letting the market transform the fossil fuel economy by Daniel Smith</title>
		<link>http://aoss.engin.umich.edu/cop15/2009/12/17/letting-the-market-transform-the-fossil-fuel-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this insight about the fuel economy and I agrees with Mike that some yes people trust what they see on TV. think now the time has come that we have to emphasize on the other way of energy and develop the new technology for their enhancement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this insight about the fuel economy and I agrees with Mike that some yes people trust what they see on TV. think now the time has come that we have to emphasize on the other way of energy and develop the new technology for their enhancement.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Contributors by Insulating paint</title>
		<link>http://aoss.engin.umich.edu/cop15/about/comment-page-1/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Insulating paint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad people are taking climate change seriously. Sounds like a great program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad people are taking climate change seriously. Sounds like a great program.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reflections on Copenhagen by Lawrence Fetter</title>
		<link>http://aoss.engin.umich.edu/cop15/2009/12/23/reflections-on-copenhagen/comment-page-1/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Fetter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 05:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article makes a very effect statement about the need to take action on climate change. It puts the conflicts and complexity into perspective and tells in readily understood terms what the world is gambling with. Our current lifestyles are discounting the future. I hope that mankind will take the necessary steps and make the adjustments and sacrifices before it is too late. Given the consequences for under-reaction and the complexity of climate, I hope that we will have the collectivity required to steer our way to stability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article makes a very effect statement about the need to take action on climate change. It puts the conflicts and complexity into perspective and tells in readily understood terms what the world is gambling with. Our current lifestyles are discounting the future. I hope that mankind will take the necessary steps and make the adjustments and sacrifices before it is too late. Given the consequences for under-reaction and the complexity of climate, I hope that we will have the collectivity required to steer our way to stability.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Post Conference Thoughts &#8211; Altruistic Hubris by Thomas Wayburn</title>
		<link>http://aoss.engin.umich.edu/cop15/2009/12/23/post-conference-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Wayburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Ahmed,

Did you notice that nothing is ever said about the two major causes of increased emissions other than low efficiency processes.  We both know that conservation can be carried out to the thermodynamic limits and no further without dramatic decrease in standards of living, which, in under-developed nations, cannot happen without misery and loss of life.  Thus, population growth (Cause 1) and economic growth (Cause 2) must be reduced and, in the case of population growth, change sign.  Four aspects of American-style economic systems that must be abandoned are (i) fractional reserve banking, (ii) loss of jobs due to technological progress, (iii) economic inequality, and (iv)financial markets.  To raise these important points is political suicide in today&#039;s political climate, which has largely been manufactured with the greatest and most successful propaganda campaign the world has ever seen.  Thoughtful engineers should be above the influence of propaganda because they demand mathematical and logical proof of whatever they accept as truth.  Oh, if it were only so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Ahmed,</p>
<p>Did you notice that nothing is ever said about the two major causes of increased emissions other than low efficiency processes.  We both know that conservation can be carried out to the thermodynamic limits and no further without dramatic decrease in standards of living, which, in under-developed nations, cannot happen without misery and loss of life.  Thus, population growth (Cause 1) and economic growth (Cause 2) must be reduced and, in the case of population growth, change sign.  Four aspects of American-style economic systems that must be abandoned are (i) fractional reserve banking, (ii) loss of jobs due to technological progress, (iii) economic inequality, and (iv)financial markets.  To raise these important points is political suicide in today&#8217;s political climate, which has largely been manufactured with the greatest and most successful propaganda campaign the world has ever seen.  Thoughtful engineers should be above the influence of propaganda because they demand mathematical and logical proof of whatever they accept as truth.  Oh, if it were only so.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Letting the market transform the fossil fuel economy by Mike Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://aoss.engin.umich.edu/cop15/2009/12/17/letting-the-market-transform-the-fossil-fuel-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you in theory but the reality of it all would never hold. In a true &quot;free market&quot; all of the different renewable energy technologies would be developed and the best one would stick it out while the others fail. But there are a couple of problems with this. Number 1, there isn&#039;t enough money to fully development these new technologies because all of the money is still being funneled to fossil fuels. Number 2, with the government involvement today, the market is far from free. Number 3, today, technology doesn&#039;t sell itself. The winner would be chosen by who has the best marketing strategy, not the best technology. This is unfortunate but people trust what they see on TV more than their own judgment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you in theory but the reality of it all would never hold. In a true &#8220;free market&#8221; all of the different renewable energy technologies would be developed and the best one would stick it out while the others fail. But there are a couple of problems with this. Number 1, there isn&#8217;t enough money to fully development these new technologies because all of the money is still being funneled to fossil fuels. Number 2, with the government involvement today, the market is far from free. Number 3, today, technology doesn&#8217;t sell itself. The winner would be chosen by who has the best marketing strategy, not the best technology. This is unfortunate but people trust what they see on TV more than their own judgment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New climate books. And some solutions. by vandana</title>
		<link>http://aoss.engin.umich.edu/cop15/2009/12/12/new-climate-books-and-some-solutions/comment-page-1/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>vandana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this site very much</description>
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		<title>Comment on The &#8220;Climate Change Hoax&#8221; is a Hoax by SeanLean</title>
		<link>http://aoss.engin.umich.edu/cop15/2009/11/23/benroberts2/comment-page-1/#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>SeanLean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>31,072 scientists (including over 9,000 Ph.D.s) have signed a strong petition REJECTING the AGW religion.  Contact: Audrey Mullen, 703-548-1160, at the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine for details.  See http://www.petitionproject.org/index.php for lists of signers by name, qualifications, and state.

THE PETITION STATES

“We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.

There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth&#039;s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth&#039;s climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.”

CO2 DEBUNKED

The late-Carboniferous and late-Ordovician periods were the only geological periods during the Paleozoic Era when global temperatures were as low as they are today. To the consternation of the priests of the global warming religion, the late-Ordovician Period was also an ice age while, at the same time, CO2 concentrations then were nearly 12 times higher than today – approximately 4400 ppm then versus approximately 385 ppm now. According to the priests of the CO2 greenhouse religion, the Earth should have been exceedingly hot. Instead, global temperatures were no warmer than today. Clearly, CO2 proponents do NOT know geology. Moreover, other factors besides atmospheric carbon influence earth temperatures and global warming.

LESS THAN HALF IS NO CONSENSUS

Of 528 total papers on climate change published from 2004 to February 2007, only 38 (7%) gave an explicit endorsement of the “consensus” for the AGW religion. If one considers &quot;implicit&quot; endorsement (accepting the consensus without explicit statement), the figure rises to 45%. However, while only 32 papers (6%) reject the consensus outright, the largest category (48%) are NEUTRAL papers, refusing to neither accept nor reject the hypothesis.  This is no &quot;consensus.&quot;

Accordingly, dear readers, do not buy a pig in a poke from the self-anointed priests of the AGW religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>31,072 scientists (including over 9,000 Ph.D.s) have signed a strong petition REJECTING the AGW religion.  Contact: Audrey Mullen, 703-548-1160, at the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine for details.  See <a href="http://www.petitionproject.org/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.petitionproject.org/index.php</a> for lists of signers by name, qualifications, and state.</p>
<p>THE PETITION STATES</p>
<p>“We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.</p>
<p>There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth&#8217;s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth&#8217;s climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.”</p>
<p>CO2 DEBUNKED</p>
<p>The late-Carboniferous and late-Ordovician periods were the only geological periods during the Paleozoic Era when global temperatures were as low as they are today. To the consternation of the priests of the global warming religion, the late-Ordovician Period was also an ice age while, at the same time, CO2 concentrations then were nearly 12 times higher than today – approximately 4400 ppm then versus approximately 385 ppm now. According to the priests of the CO2 greenhouse religion, the Earth should have been exceedingly hot. Instead, global temperatures were no warmer than today. Clearly, CO2 proponents do NOT know geology. Moreover, other factors besides atmospheric carbon influence earth temperatures and global warming.</p>
<p>LESS THAN HALF IS NO CONSENSUS</p>
<p>Of 528 total papers on climate change published from 2004 to February 2007, only 38 (7%) gave an explicit endorsement of the “consensus” for the AGW religion. If one considers &#8220;implicit&#8221; endorsement (accepting the consensus without explicit statement), the figure rises to 45%. However, while only 32 papers (6%) reject the consensus outright, the largest category (48%) are NEUTRAL papers, refusing to neither accept nor reject the hypothesis.  This is no &#8220;consensus.&#8221;</p>
<p>Accordingly, dear readers, do not buy a pig in a poke from the self-anointed priests of the AGW religion.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Letting the market transform the fossil fuel economy by George McKee</title>
		<link>http://aoss.engin.umich.edu/cop15/2009/12/17/letting-the-market-transform-the-fossil-fuel-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>George McKee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent idea, but it needs far more substantiation than those articles provide.  True conservatives should applaud an approach that uses government to make free markets function more effectively and transparently.  Republicans, unfortunately, are dedicated to using government to distort the market in order to favor their special interest supporters.

I&#039;m not an economist, but it appears to me that academic researchers spend far too much time arguing about the value of &quot;the multiplier&quot; and not enough time with supercomputers and the kind of sectoral models that would tell you whether rebalancing the subsidies chart would have a positive or negative effect on the GDP, or would have a greater or lesser effect on global carbon emissions than subsidizing developing countries to stop deforestation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent idea, but it needs far more substantiation than those articles provide.  True conservatives should applaud an approach that uses government to make free markets function more effectively and transparently.  Republicans, unfortunately, are dedicated to using government to distort the market in order to favor their special interest supporters.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an economist, but it appears to me that academic researchers spend far too much time arguing about the value of &#8220;the multiplier&#8221; and not enough time with supercomputers and the kind of sectoral models that would tell you whether rebalancing the subsidies chart would have a positive or negative effect on the GDP, or would have a greater or lesser effect on global carbon emissions than subsidizing developing countries to stop deforestation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Twitter Updates for 2009-12-12 by harga  handphone</title>
		<link>http://aoss.engin.umich.edu/cop15/2009/12/12/twitter-updates-for-2009-12-12/comment-page-1/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>harga  handphone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so cool you can update twitter via pos, how can i do that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so cool you can update twitter via pos, how can i do that</p>
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